[stonecold]

A message to all TO's.
In light of recent events regarding pay negotiations and proposed industrial action by Prospect, myself and many of my brothers and sisters have become disheartened and see no positive direction by the union that represents us.
One of my brothers has been talking to a representative from the Traffic and general workers union who has provided him with information regarding the union representing us.
Many of us have cancelled our membership with Prospect and many more plan to do the same. This decision is not a knee-jerk reaction but is something which I feel has been innevitable for a long time now, these decisions have not been taken lightly.
It is our intention to join the T.G.W but for this union to have any power we MUST all be united in our actions, for the union to be effective they must have a majority as members for the HA to recognise them.
We will be talking to the T.G.W to find out more. All I ask is that the T.O's from all other regions think about this and consider that Prospect has not done much for us in the time they have been representing us. We need someone who we can have faith in and trust.
Since the Agency appointed our union without giving us any say in who we had it is time WE decided who fights our corner.
We need everybody on board for this to work, discuss with your working partners, I will post more info regarding the T.G.W as it comes Thanks for taking the time to read this message and please remember we are trying to instigate this change for the good of us all.

[TheWanderer]

Sounds like a good plan Stonecold. We were discussing Unison a while back. What does TGWU have to offer us??


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[stonecold]

At the monent we are in talks with a rep from the T.G.W , they will be sending us info packs on what they can do , this is something we have been thinking about for a while now, as soon as I have more info I will be posting to let everybody know. As I said it is not a decision that we have taken lightly but if they can do anything for us we need everyone from all regions or it just won't work.
Everbody in our area feels Prospect have let us down, it's not something we really wanted to do but we see no alternative. When I know more I will share the info.
Thanks for your support!!

Regards
Texas rattlesnake

[The Punisher]

Couldn't agree more Stone Cold, how can we expect an orgainisation picked by the HA to represent us, stand up to them on our behalf?

I have been considering my Prospect membership for sometime but was unaware of anything I could do to change things.
I will be very interested to hear what you find out.


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[stonecold]

Thanks for your interest and keep listening. Please discuss this matter with your co-workers, Prospect members or non-union members , lets see how everdody else feels.

[jezza]

I don't have any loyalty to a union that I pay £7.70 per month to, and all I get out of it is a magazine that hardly features any info on our role.

Still, I suppose I can sleep soundly at night knowing I'm helping pay for John Higgins to have a nice new office building down in Londinium, but what comfort is that when I'm demoralised and skint for another month after our oh so useful pay negotiators ummed and ahhed about getting some extra cash from the HA.

You've got my support in changing the Union. Let's get another one on board and see how we go with them? Prospect have had a few years out of us, and a fair bit of cash - so lets see what an organisation not chosen by the people who decide what we are paid can do with our subscription money!

Could we create an anonymous poll or thread to show the levels of support at each outstation and RCC for the proposed change?

I'll help out if I can. I'm feeling militant this evening

PM me if I can do anything,

Jezza


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[Northern Lad]

I'm very disappointed in the performance of Prospect over the last 12 months.
Fully agree other avenues should be explored.


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[Alpha Bravo Guy]

Glad to see others are thinking the same as me. It is up to us all to spread the word. I feel short changed by Prospect, they take our money and give little in return. At least we can look at other options and then make an informed decision instead of our employers saying these are the best people to represent you so there you have it!!!!!!!!

[Blakey]

There was a reason why the HA chose Prospect and I have no doubt that reason was in the HA's interest. One of the reasons I'm not in Prospect is because the choice of union represention was not ours.

I doubt I'm alone in my thinking and would support an alternative union of our choice.

[State5]

Just a quick question.

In the recent pay negotiations, the union rejected the HA's offer and then came to it's members and said that in order to improve the deal we need to go on strike. Their members voted, and there was not a large enough majority to make the strike legal.

Is that the unions fault, or it's members?

[TheWanderer]

State5 - Fom what I gather a large number of members did not return their ballott papers, if indeed they ever recieved them. Everyone claims to have voted yes but I can't see it somehow. You are quite right that many were frightened to even show their dissatisfaction in an anonymous ballot!


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[Guest]

I heard alot of the ballot papers when to the outstation other than peoples home address! whos fault is that?

[Northern Lad]

State5 wrote:

Just a quick question. In the recent pay negotiations, the union rejected the HA's offer and then came to it's members and said that in order to improve the deal we need to go on strike. Their members voted, and there was not a large enough majority to make the strike legal. Is that the unions fault, or it's members?

Good point.
I have no problem with people voting against taking action, but am hugely disappointed in the people who didn't even bother to put an X on a piece of paper and stick it back in a pre addressed and pre-paid envelope.

I feel that they have undermined the effectiveness of the union and have certainly forfeit the right to moan about pay and conditions.

I also agree with some of the comments above, Prospect were chosen by the HA for a reason, which I'm sure has more to do with the HA than TO's


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[Keokeo]

If the ballot was anonymous how come the ballot papers had serial numbers on them, I know of 2 people who did not vote because they felt it was not anonymous. if they had blanked out the numbers would the vote become null and void?


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[mondeoman]

I know someone who is on a discipline charge on Monday,so i will see what help Prospect are going to be,especially as it is a non exsistent allegation blown up by a HA/Herts person who it seems is just out to have a pop at HA staff at any opportunity.The union were useless when one of our TOs was disciplined in his first week for what was a safety issue,but was progressed so the HA could show Herts that it was dealt with.Is it coincidence that Herts personnel were involved in both of these matters???
If the super gets charged on Monday then i will be cancelling my membership on Tuesday.


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